Common Questions and Answers

General

Could the turret gunner in the TBM shoot the tail of the airplane?

Not unless the gun is being fired manually. The TBM Avenger was equipped with an electrically operated Grumman 150SE-1 or -2 Ball Turret which has a built in mechanism in the turret ring that prevents firing through a certain arc.

According to the TBM Pilot’s Handbook: “Interrupter cams actuate a micro switch in the gun firing circuit automatically stop the firing of the turret gun when the tail and wing surfaces are in [the] line of fire.

A track around the circumference of the turret is shaped to follow the contour of the fuselage. A moveable arm which is electrically connected to the main turret control switch will ride on the track, when the gun is depressed, automatically limiting the angle of depression of the gun as the turret revolves.”

However, in the event of an electric failure, the turret can be operated manually. If this occurs, the Handbook warns: “No fire interruption is provided when the turret gun is fired manually, consequently the gunner must exercise care in pointing the gun so as not to fire into tail and wing surfaces.”

There is one other scenario in which a gunner could inadvertently shoot his own airplane: ammunition cook off. This refers to the situation in which the heat the guns build up from firing could ignite the powder in the bullet casing. While there was no protection against this in the TBM, the B-25 did incorporate an additional safety feature in the event this occurred. On the top of the fuselage there were two small bumps that were directly in line with the guns from the top turret when it was trained directly rearwards. If cook off occurred, these devices – known as “ricochet generators” – would hopefully cause the bullet from the gun to be deflected away from the airplane. The reason this extra effort was taken in the B-25 and not the TBM was because the tail gunner was in the top turret’s field of fire – and while it is one thing to accidentally hit one’s own plane, it is quite another to accidentally shoot one’s own crew.

How do the wings on the TBM fold?

The wings on the TBM are hydraulically folding and controlled by the pilot from the cockpit. However, manpower is necessary to move them the final few inches to allow the tie back cables to be attached.

When the outer wings unfold they swing out and around until they are in line with the inner stub wing. The hinge is mounted on a diagonal, so that as they move forwards they also “rotate” to be parallel with the ground. A tab on the outer wing fits into a slot on the inner stub wing. A pin then slides through a hole in the tab, locking the wing into place. Simultaneously, red “flags” sticking out of the top of the wing are retracted to let the pilot know the wings are locked in position and he is free to takeoff without fear of them folding up in flight.

Roy Grumman, the TBM’s designer, came up with the idea by sticking two paperclips in a soap eraser. Known as the Sto-Wing, it was used on other Grumman designs such as the F4F Wildcat, F6F Hellcat, as well as the postwar E-1 Tracer, C-2 Greyhound, and E-2 Hawkeye.

Why are the wings on the Corsair “bent”?

The Corsair has what is known as an inverted gull wing. It was so called because it was an upside down version of the gull wing – which is itself named after the shape of the wings on a seagull.

The airplane needed long propeller blades to absorb the power of the large Pratt & Whitney R-2800 Double Wasp engine. These blades were so long that they would not be able to clear the ground when the plane took off. One solution was that the main landing gear could be lengthened. However, the Corsair was designed to operate off of aircraft carriers – a situation that involves very hard landings. Longer landing gear were less sturdy. Another option was to use a wing mounted low on the fuselage instead of in the middle. This was also unacceptable, as engineers had figured out that there was a distinct aerodynamic benefit to the wing meeting the fuselage at a 90-degree angle, and a traditional low wing would not allow this. So, to keep the landing gear short, the wing at a 90-degree angle to the fuselage, and still have enough clearance for the propeller, the wings were “bent” downward.

How many planes did an aircraft carrier have?

The most common American aircraft carrier in World War II, the Essex class, carried a total of 90 planes. This was broken down into 36 fighters, 36 dive bombers, and 18 torpedo bombers. This combination of aircraft was known as the “Sunday punch”.

The number of airplanes carried increased throughout the war. At the beginning of 1942, the standard was a total of about 70 airplanes. By mid-1945, that number had risen to approximately 100.

Did World War II aircraft carriers have catapults?

All American non-escort class aircraft carriers had at least one aircraft catapult. However, catapults were not as widely used as they are today. Furthermore, some of the catapults were in unusual locations – such as those in the hangar deck that fired perpendicular to the centerline of the ship.

What happened to spent bullet casings and belt links?

Before answering this question, it is important to distinguish between fixed and flexible mounted guns. Fixed guns cannot be moved and are aimed by turning the entire airplane. They are usually mounted in the wings or nose. Flexible guns can be moved and are aimed by moving the gun itself. An example of this is the tail gun position on a B-25.

During World War II, fixed gun positions on aircraft almost always ejected the bullet casings and links out of the bottom of the aircraft. In rare cases they were collected, such as with the wing gun on the T-6, but this was the exception rather than the rule.

Similarly, in many flexible gun positions, the spent bullet casings simply fell to the floor.

Could drop tanks be used as improvised bombs?

There were some cases of drop tanks being used as improvised bombs, but the tactic was likely not very widespread. This is because drop tanks lack a number of features that reduce their effectiveness in this role.

First, unlike actual bombs, drop tanks lack any sort of fuse or detonator. So when they impact the ground, there is a good chance that they may simply spray fuel everywhere without igniting it.

In addition, generally speaking, drop tanks do not have the stabilizing fins that actual bombs do, making them likely to tumble off course when they are dropped. When combined with the fact that many aircraft with drop tanks do not have bombsights, which makes them hard to aim, it makes them very inaccurate.

However, there were instances where drop tanks were used in this manner. During attacks on the Japanese garrison on the island of Rota in the Mariana Archipelago, Marine Corps Corsairs used drop tanks to destroy a vegetable garden. To solve the problem of ignition, after the first wave of aircraft dropped their belly tanks a second wave fired incendiary rounds into the pooled liquid. The strike was also almost certainly made at low altitude, negating the accuracy problem.

Quite in contrast to their use as weapons, Germany dropped leaflets informing Polish civilians that the large objects they were finding were actually not bombs, but fuel tanks.

How many flying [given aircraft] are there?

It is hard to say with certainty, since the number fluctuates regularly. However, one good metric to use are the reunions and gatherings that have attempted to invite as many aircraft of a certain type as possible.

Some 76 P-51s, or versions thereof, attended the 2007 Gathering of Mustangs and Legends in Columbus, Ohio.

A total of 22 B-25s attended the 2012 Doolittle Raider Reunion at the National Museum of the United States Air Force in Dayton, Ohio. It was quite likely the largest gathering of B-25s since World War II – surpassing even the 17 flying airplanes assembled in 1970 for the filming of the movie Catch-22.

11 TBMs attended the 2018 TBM Avenger Salute to Veterans in Peru, Illinois. Although only 7 TBMs ended up actually being able to make it, for the 2017 reunion as many 16 airplanes originally verbally committed, meaning the total number of flying TBMs was at least that high.

34 DC-3s, C-41s, C-47s, C-53s, and Li-2s confirmed participation for the Daks Over Normandy event in 2019. While it isn’t clear if all of the aircraft were able to attend, it does mean that there were likely at least that many airworthy.

7 Hawker Hurricanes flew in formation at the Shuttleworth Collection Military Airshow in Old Warden, Bedfordshire, England on 7 July 2019.

11 Corsairs took part in the 2019 Thunder Over Michigan air show hosted by the Yankee Air Museum in Ypsilanti, Michigan – although 14 were originally scheduled to attend.

Did the Tuskegee Airmen actually never lose a bomber they were escorting?

No, but whether they did or didn’t isn’t really all that relevant to their story.

The short version is that there were at least 27 B-17s and B-24s lost from bomb groups escorted by the Tuskegee Airmen. At the same time, white fighter groups in the Fifteenth Air Force lost an average of 46 bombers. However, there are many factors that can affect this number, making it difficult to draw definitive conclusions, and the end result is that it unclear whether they were any “better” than any of the other fighter groups.

However, in many ways this doesn’t really matter. The truth does not need to be embellished. What the Tuskegee Airmen did was already amazing enough. Simply by performing their duty they were already doing twice as much as any other American airman. To succeed they had to fight not only Nazi forces in Europe, but also racial prejudices at home. Defeating them both would lead to the hoped for “Double V Victory”.

What was the average height and weight of an American airman in World War II? How does it compare to today? (a.k.a. Were people really smaller back then?)

First, it is useful to remember that the military accepted a range of heights and weights. For example, fighter pilots were permitted to be from 5' 4" to 6' tall and weigh 120 to 180 pounds. When it came to bombers, commissioned officers could be between 5' and 6' 4" and 120 to 200 pounds. However, the average airman was 5’ 9” tall and weighed 154 pounds unclothed.

Often, this question arises in reference to the ability of airmen to fit inside confined spaces – especially ball turrets. The Army Air Force was not unaware of this issue during the war and research in the field of anthropometrics, or the study of measurements of the human body, was carried out. The subject of anthropometrics in relation to gun turrets was already being discussed as early as the summer of 1940 and by December 1941 planning for a survey was underway. Based on this research, in January 1943 an upper limit of 70 inches and 170 pounds was set for gunners.

Interestingly, one of the bigger problems that was encountered was not just the size of the individual person, but also the bulk of the flying clothing and equipment they were wearing. Early enclosed gun turrets were designed at a time when airplanes operated at lower altitudes. This meant that relatively little protection was needed from the elements as the temperature there was warm enough and the air was breathable. However, as technological advanced pushed aerial combat higher and higher, the temperature dropped and the air thinned, making heavy clothing and oxygen masks a necessity. Yet turrets were still being designed without consideration for the amount of space that these new provisions were taking up. As an example of bulk of this equipment, the standard uniform, electrically heated suit, and oxygen system alone added just under 30 pounds.

An interesting demonstration of the importance of anthropometrics comes from the experience of Women Airforce Service Pilots (WASPs). When they joined there were no women’s uniforms available and as a result they had to make due with oversized men’s mechanics coveralls they nicknamed “zoot suits” after the popular fashion trend of the time.

How dangerous was the ball and/or tail gun position?

According to an analysis of casualties suffered by the Eighth Air Force from June to August 1944, the crew position with the greatest chance of being injured or killed was the bombardier followed by the navigator. The tail gunner was third most dangerous and the ball turret gunner was actually the safest position.

Did the Doolittle Raiders replace the tail guns in their B-25s with broomsticks?

Not exactly. Some of the B-25Bs used on the raid did have twin broomsticks placed in the rear of the airplane as a ruse. However, stock B-25Bs did not have tail guns installed, so the broomsticks did not replace existing guns, but added them where there had not been any before.

This is an important distinction because in the 2001 movie Pearl Harbor it is suggested that the guns were replaced to lighten the weight of the airplanes. In addition, it is presented as a decision that was made on the spur of the moment, when it fact it was actually made at Eglin Air Force Base – long before the B-25s were ever aboard the USS Hornet. To further confuse matters, the movie depicts the guns being replaced as the waist guns, not those in the tail.

Did the phrase “the whole nine yards” really come from the length of machine gun belts in World War II?

No, there is attested usage of the phrase, or a very similar variation, that predates World War II.

Did WASPs ferry airplanes overseas during World War II?

No, although it was attempted on one occasion. To quote the book WASP of the Ferry Command:

Then on September 1, 1943, Nancy and Betty left Cincinnati in B-17F (No. 42-30624) on the first leg of the trip. With them were 1st Lt. R.O. (Pappy) Fraser, navigator; T/Sgt. Stover, radio operator; T/Sgt. Sidney Weintraub, aerial engineer; and T/Sgt. L.S. Hall, assistant aerial engineer. The plane was destined for the U.S. Eighth Air Force in Great Britain. After some delays, they landed in Goose Bay, Labrador, on September 4. Much of their trip from Presque Isle, Maine, had been under instrument conditions.

They never look off from Goose Bay. General C.R. Smith, thinking the two women and their crew were well on their way, sent a wire to England alerting the commander of the ATC European Wing, Brig. Gen. Paul Burrows, that the plane flown by the two women pilots was on its way, and to notify General Arnold.

Routine delivering flight arriving in your wing will be B-17 number 30624 in few days. For Burrows and Atwood from Smith. Airplane is piloted by WAF crew first pilot Nancy Harkness Love and second pilot Betty Gillies. … Desire General Arnold be informed.

The telegram was delivered while Burrows was having dinner with his boss, Hap Arnold. Burrows handed the telegram to Arnold who immediately ordered the flight stopped. The following is Arnold's message:

Just have seen message from C.R. Smith … indicating that a B-17 with women crew will leave for England shortly. … Desire that this trip be cancelled and no women fly transoceanic planes until I have had time to study and approve.

Passengers Nancy Love and Betty Gillies boarded a C-52A in Goose Bay the morning of September 6, 1943. The flight was bound not for Prestwick, Scotland, but back to Presque Isle, Maine. They were going home. Two male pilots took their places and ferried B-17F No. 42-30624 on to Scotland.

“If we had left the day before–when we were scheduled to leave–we'd have been in England before General Arnold ever heard,” Betty recalled years later. “But the weather was bad and we couldn't get clearance.”

That was the first and only attempt to have WASP pilots ferry aircraft overseas during the war. Stories do circulate that service men saw women pilots delivering airplanes in both the Atlantic and Pacific theaters, but no WASP ever did so–and they will all tell you that, in no uncertain terms. Yes, the women flew to and all across Canada and, though not generally known, two WASP flew to Puerto Rico in December 1944.

How accurate was the Norden bombsight?

The legend of the Norden bombsight’s accuracy results from the famous claim that a bombardier using the device could “drop a bomb in a pickle barrel from several thousand feet”.

It is illustrative that as early as December 1940 this claim was both being exaggerated and questioned. One news article notes that in recent retellings, the altitude in the quote had increased from 10,000 to 30,000 feet and the pickle barrel had been replaced with a “flower pot”. Another states that “the accuracy claims in stories published six months or so ago about the Sperry bombsight seems to have been greatly overdrawn”. A third from February 1940 – presumably one of the ones being referred to above – makes the unrealistic claim that the Sperry bombsight allows a bomber to drop bombs “while the plane is actually maneuvering, banking, rolling, etc.”

While these stories apparently describe the earlier “Sperry [S-1] bombsight” and not the later “Norden”, they do capture the general spirit of the times and the sense that the rumor mill surrounding both of them had taken off.

The reality was that accuracy was far worse. In 1943, “only 16 percent of bombs fell within 1,000 feet of the aiming point”. By 1945, however, this had increased to 60 percent.

How secret was the Norden bombsight? Was the secrecy effective?

The Norden bombsight was actually compromised before World War II ever began. Herman W. Lang, an inspector in the Norden factory, passed blueprints to the Germans in 1938.

As a matter of fact, it is likely that the secrecy surrounding the Norden bombsight stemmed more from Carl Norden’s desire for exclusive government contracts then any attempt at preventing the device from falling into enemy hands. By ensuring the bombsight’s secrecy, he made sure that his competitors – mainly the Sperry company – could not obtain a license to build it. Eventually, the secrecy “took [on] a life of its own” and mushroomed into the myth that is common today.

It is important to note, however, that despite the excessive secrecy, the security measures during the war were taken seriously and sincerely believed by most servicemen.

An illustrative example of the difference between fact and fiction can be found in the instructions on what to do with the bombsight in the event the bomber was shot down. The bombardier handbook did dictate that the bombsight be destroyed and that the correct method was to shoot it three times with a pistol and then throw it overboard. However, contrary to what is often claimed, the bombsight itself incorporated no provision for an incendiary device to “melt it into an unusable lump of metal”. Aircraft did sometimes carry such AN-M14 incendiary grenades, but the manual clearly states that they are intended for “DESTRUCTION OF THE ENTIRE PLANE”, not the bombsight.

Furthermore, it is worth noting that these type of instructions are in no way isolated to the Norden bombsight or heavy bombers. For example, handbooks for ground based radio sets included similar language on when and how to destroy the equipment to prevent enemy capture.

Airplane Design

What is “hand-propping”?

“Hand-propping” is a method of starting the engine on an airplane used when no automatic starter is present. To do this the pilot exits the airplane, walks to the front, grabs hold of the propeller, and gives it a yank to start the engine turning over.

It is the equivalent of using a hand crank to start a car. While it is generally regarded as old fashioned in both the aviation and automobile worlds, it is much more common to come across an airplane that need to be hand propped, than it is a car that needs to be hand cranked.

It is important to note that as soon as the propeller starts turning the airplane will want to move forward. Not fast enough to take off, but often fast enough to make it impossible to get back in the cockpit. Therefore, before hand-propping an airplane, the pilot must take one of two precautions. If flying alone, they will tie down the tail in such a way that it can be released after entering the cockpit. If flying with another person, that person will simply hold down the brakes with their foot.

What is the benefit of a variable pitch propeller?

On a variable pitch propeller the angle of the blades can be changed – usually in flight. This is contrasted with a fixed pitch propeller, on which the angle of the blade is fixed.

A variable pitch propeller performs much the same function as the transmission on a car, with each different angle being similar to a different gear. Therefore, flying an airplane with a fixed pitch propeller would be like driving a car with only a single gear.

What is the benefit of reduction gearing?

To quote an advertisement by Pratt & Whitney:

The employment of a reduction gear secures better propeller efficiency by reducing the speed of the propeller. Further, on air transport ships the practise [sic] adds to passenger comfort by reducing propeller noise.

What is the difference between a rotary and radial engine?

Rotary and radial engines are often confused and their names interchanged incorrectly. Simply put, in a rotary engine the entire cylinder block rotates around a fixed crankshaft, while a in radial engine the cylinder block is fixed and the crankshaft rotates.

Why do radial engines leak oil?

The cylinders in a radial engine are arranged in a circle around the crankshaft, so the cylinders on the bottom of the engine are upside down. Over time gravity causes the oil to drain from the upper cylinders down to the lower ones, where it collects. Since the cylinders on the bottom are upside down, and the valves and seals are not designed to contain it, the oil leaks out around them.

This is also the reason that propellers on aircraft with radial engines are “pulled through” before a flight. It is to recirculate the oil through the engine and prevent the “hydrolock” caused by this pooling.

Why do some aircraft have folding wings?

Folding wings are found almost exclusively on naval aircraft. There is a limited amount of space onboard an aircraft carrier, so folding wings allow multiple aircraft to fit in the space that a single non-folding wing design would take up.

However, parked footprint is not the only consideration as there are other size constraints on the ship. For example, aircraft must also be able to fit on the elevators that move them between the hangar and flight decks. This is why aircraft like the Mitsubishi A6M have folding wingtips: a feature which is not particularly useful for increasing aircraft capacity due to the small amount – only 20 inches – of wingspan reduction.

What kind of armor did World War II airplanes have?

The two most common places for armor in a World War II aircraft are the windshield directly in front of the pilot and the seat directly behind him.

Generally speaking, you are far better off trying to avoid the hit than absorbing the damage it causes. Additional armor meant additional weight, which meant reduced speed and maneuverability. For that reason, armor was normally kept to a minimum.

However, certain aircraft did carry additional armor. Usually, it was those that operated in conditions where being hit was seen as unavoidable. The first type of aircraft that fell into this category were those that couldn’t maneuver. This encompassed aircraft such as heavy bombers, that had to remain in formation. The other category were aircraft that flew in areas where the volume of fire was so high that the aircraft would inevitably be hit. These were ground attack aircraft, where multiple anti-aircraft guns would be firing at a single target. This resulted in aircraft like the Soviet Ilyushin Il-2, which famously had heavy steel plate around the engine, fuel tanks, and all sides of the pilot.

Specifications

How many rounds did planes carry?/How long could the guns fire?

The most common gun used on American aircraft during World War II was the Browning AN/M2 .50 caliber machine gun. It had a fire rate of 750 to 850 rounds per minute. The number of rounds carried varied based on the type of aircraft and mounting. The P-51D, for example, carried 400 rounds on each of the inboard guns and 270 rounds for each of the center and outboard guns. So a P-51D pilot had a maximum firing time of 30 seconds (400 rpg / [800 rpm / 60 s]) – although four of the six guns would only last just over 20 seconds.

In the Pacific, pilots complained when the new “-4” variant of the F4F was introduced. Compared to the “-3” variant it added two additional guns, bringing the total to six. The additional guns reduced the total number of rounds per gun, and therefore the total firing time. Noted pilot Jimmy Thatch argued that, “the pilot who will miss with four .50-caliber guns won't be able to hit with eight.”

Other Questions

How long does a dogfight last?

Most dogfights, as aerial battles between two airplanes are known, happen very quickly. In fact, according to one study, “roughly 80% of all fighter victims in war are shot down unaware of their attacker”. In other words, 80% of all fighter combat has an effective duration of 0 seconds.

It must be remembered that aerial combat is extremely physically exhausting. Fighter combat often involves pilots “pulling” multiple Gs that multiply their body weight many times over. In addition, before the invention of boosted controls, the only force the pilot had to move the control surfaces was his own brute strength.

To get an idea what this is like, consider the closest common civilian equivalent: a rollercoaster. Rollercoasters subject their riders to rapid changes in positive and negative G. However, on a rollercoaster the rider is merely a passive participant – they are not required to do anything. In contrast, in a dogfight the pilot must actively control the airplane as well as keep track of the enemy and constantly plan the next maneuver he has to make.

However, extremely long dogfights did take place. In one case, an SBD piloted by “Swede” Vejtasa fought three A6Ms for 17 minutes.